Fascinating analysis, but your take on AG having received little or none of the AE heritage seems to have little backing in your own research, even though it must be hard to gather any evidence for such a claim. ATM it reads more like conspiracy than anything else to be honest
Would be interesting to have you compare ArianeGroup's confusing claims of heritage to those of Boeing's, and other American primes. Is ArianeGroup following a trend or just being exceptionally deceptive?
- Air Liquide SA - > famous from the SLS hydrogin supply?
- '"exciting journey towards a more integrated, more efficient, and hence more profitable launcher business in Europe," he said. How hollow these words ring in 2023.'
But, I am sure Ariane 6 has been /very/ profitable to ArianeGroup. Very efficient too, they did not even need to launch to make their profits, and secured the Amazon contract after having all their costs paid for. ;-)
- "Interestingly, this application includes the line (translated from French using Google Translate): “the decision of the Russian Federation to cease all launching and put an end to France-Russian space cooperation.” I had thought that this decision had come from Europe and Arianespace and not from Russia. "
No, it was ROSCOSMOS - in particular, tweeting by its head at the time Dmitry Rogozin.
While both ESA and Oneweb were in the proces of being instructed to stop the launches,the political process had not officially completed yet.
I remembering cheering about it at the time. Because as it is ROSCOSMOS that defaulted on the contract, Arianespace and Oneweb should be off the hook for the costs of the remaining launches.
'Roscosmos announced Feb. 26 that it is halting cooperation with Europe on Soyuz launches from French Guiana and withdrawing its personnel from the launch site in response to European sanctions for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
In response to EU sanctions against our enterprises, Roscosmos is suspending cooperation with European partners in organizing space launches” from French Guiana, Roscosmos said in a pair of tweets, citing a statement by its head, Dmitry Rogozin. The agency said it will withdraw the 87 employees of several Russian companies that support Soyuz launches there, although the details of that withdrawal are “being worked out.” '
Fascinating analysis, but your take on AG having received little or none of the AE heritage seems to have little backing in your own research, even though it must be hard to gather any evidence for such a claim. ATM it reads more like conspiracy than anything else to be honest
Would be interesting to have you compare ArianeGroup's confusing claims of heritage to those of Boeing's, and other American primes. Is ArianeGroup following a trend or just being exceptionally deceptive?
Awesome work on sorting out the mess. Wikipedia has a listing of company % per country, but does not work out the company structure between them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianespace#Company_and_infrastructure
- Avo = Avio?
(Avio has the other 50%), and 40% of Regulas (Avo has the other 60%).
- RUAG Schweiz AG - Did this not move to their rebranded space division 'Beyond Gravity'? Odd.
https://www.ruag.com/en
- Air Liquide SA - > famous from the SLS hydrogin supply?
- '"exciting journey towards a more integrated, more efficient, and hence more profitable launcher business in Europe," he said. How hollow these words ring in 2023.'
But, I am sure Ariane 6 has been /very/ profitable to ArianeGroup. Very efficient too, they did not even need to launch to make their profits, and secured the Amazon contract after having all their costs paid for. ;-)
- "Interestingly, this application includes the line (translated from French using Google Translate): “the decision of the Russian Federation to cease all launching and put an end to France-Russian space cooperation.” I had thought that this decision had come from Europe and Arianespace and not from Russia. "
No, it was ROSCOSMOS - in particular, tweeting by its head at the time Dmitry Rogozin.
While both ESA and Oneweb were in the proces of being instructed to stop the launches,the political process had not officially completed yet.
I remembering cheering about it at the time. Because as it is ROSCOSMOS that defaulted on the contract, Arianespace and Oneweb should be off the hook for the costs of the remaining launches.
https://spacenews.com/russia-halts-soyuz-launches-from-french-guiana/
'Roscosmos announced Feb. 26 that it is halting cooperation with Europe on Soyuz launches from French Guiana and withdrawing its personnel from the launch site in response to European sanctions for Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
In response to EU sanctions against our enterprises, Roscosmos is suspending cooperation with European partners in organizing space launches” from French Guiana, Roscosmos said in a pair of tweets, citing a statement by its head, Dmitry Rogozin. The agency said it will withdraw the 87 employees of several Russian companies that support Soyuz launches there, although the details of that withdrawal are “being worked out.” '